Should Russia invade Ukraine?

Should Russia invade Ukraine?


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Paul Hjul

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I don't understand how anybody on this forum cast that Russia should invade Ukraine.

A better question is whether Putin should have his balls and entrails fed to him before being hung drawn and quartered or afterwards
 

Johnatan56

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What happens once they have taken Kyiv, I wonder? [Notice how Kiev became Kyiv and Kharkov became Kharkiv?]
Kiev was the old soviet translated name, it's been Kyiv since 1991: https://www.scotsman.com/news/world/when-did-kiev-become-kyiv-and-why-did-the-name-change-3583903

I am young, but because of family, I accidentally call Bratislava Preßburg/Pressburg, it hasn't been called that in a hundred years, the same thing is going to keep happening there as well, but at least the name is similar enough that it might change easily enough.
 

SlinkyMike

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I don't understand how anybody on this forum cast that Russia should invade Ukraine.

A better question is whether Putin should have his balls and entrails fed to him before being hung drawn and quartered or afterwards
You joke but there has never been a better time for an uprising inside Russia. 'Ol dickhole is preoccupied with his kak not quite going according to plan in Ukraine and the whole damned army is over there too.

If ever there was a time to Gaddafi him it would be now.
 

Paul Hjul

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You joke but there has never been a better time for an uprising inside Russia. 'Ol dickhole is preoccupied with his kak not quite going according to plan in Ukraine and the whole damned army is over there too.

If ever there was a time to Gaddafi him it would be now.
The most peaceful way this ends is a bullet to Putin from within the Kremlin - and if he toys too much with nuclear threats it will happen.

The most likely way this ends is revolution in Russia. There is a strong disdain for using Russia's army to fight while the country suffers. 1917...
We are already seeing the domestic reality play out. Most effective tool of economic warfare the Americans have is something Russian organized crime has been doing to them for years but for different purposes, namely counterfeit currency. Pumping billions of high quality fake rubels will have hyperinflation contaminant. Double that up with pouring in poor quality fake dollar bills - black market use of dollars is inevitable - and pounds and you'll disrupt the domestic economy massively.
 

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Düber

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That's a poll by a Russian agency, that will never report the actual situation.
It did seem rather glowing, in the same vein it's very interesting seeing the different slants taken by news channels, I have been flipping between the BBC, Al Jazeera and RT.
It's almost like there are three separate news events happening...
 

Johnatan56

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It did seem rather glowing, in the same vein it's very interesting seeing the different slants taken by news channels, I have been flipping between the BBC, Al Jazeera and RT.
It's almost like there are three separate news events happening...
Well RT is obviously propaganda, Al Jazeera mostly is as well but Qatar side anti-America, constantly criticizing US for not helping or if they were how they are overreaching, and BBC is most likely to be more neutral, but will obviously be anti-Russia.
 

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UK RAISES ALERT LEVEL
The English are feeling the pinch in relation to recent Russian threats and have therefore raised their security level from “Miffed” to “Peeved.” Soon, though, security levels may be raised yet again to “Irritated” or even “A Bit Cross.” The English have not been “A Bit Cross” since the blitz in 1940 when tea supplies nearly ran out. The Russians have been re-categorized from “Tiresome” to “A Bloody Nuisance.” The last time the British issued a “Bloody Nuisance” warning level was in 1588, when threatened by the Spanish Armada.

The Scots have raised their threat level from “Pissed Off” to “Let’s Get the Bastards.” They don’t have any other levels. This is the reason they have been used on the front line of the British army for the last 300 years.

The French government announced yesterday that it has raised its terror alert level from “Run” to “Hide.” The only two higher levels in France are “Collaborate” and “Surrender.” The rise was precipitated by a recent fire that destroyed France’s white flag factory, effectively paralyzing the country’s military capability.

Italy has increased the alert level from “Shout Loudly and Excitedly” to “Elaborate Military Posturing.” Two more levels remain: “Ineffective Combat Operations” and “Change Sides.”

The Germans have increased their alert state from “Disdainful Arrogance” to “Dress in Uniform and Sing Marching Songs.” They also have two higher levels: “Invade a Neighbour” and “Lose.”

Belgians, on the other hand, are all on holiday as usual; the only threat they are worried about is NATO pulling out of Brussels.

The Spanish are all excited to see their new submarines ready to deploy. These beautifully designed subs have glass bottoms so the new Spanish navy can get a really good look at the old Spanish navy.

Australia, meanwhile, has raised its security level from “No worries” to “She’ll be alright, Mate.” Two more escalation levels remain: “Crikey! I think we’ll need to cancel the barbie this weekend!” and “The barbie is cancelled.” So far, no situation has ever warranted use of the final escalation level.
 
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So because Russia supplies 30% of the world's palladium and that's going to no longer be able to be imported in a lot of places, South Africa as one of the (if not the, can't find % numbers) will probably get a nice boost there.

The neon gas articles are a bit off, Ukraine supplied over 70% of the world's semi-conductor grade neon because the USSR completely over-invested in the production thereof, most of that supply just wasn't needed, but Crimea invasion in 2015 started seeing shortages, which lead to e.g. https://sst.semiconductor-digest.co...eon-gas-consumption-for-arf-immersion-lasers/ which reduced usage by around half. Would probably expect to see other producers pop up now, since worth investing in new factories for it.

Timing is also interesting as South Korea just started up their own nationalized production this year, though it can only 16% of demand (22k cubic meters per year), and state over 6 months of stockpiles: https://www.tellerreport.com/news/2...f-amid-russia-ukraine-conflict.r1VqUpdJc.html

First covid, and now this war, is going to spur a huge change in terms of bringing back manufacturing to the countries that consume, so going to see a lot more industry moving back to US and Europe, also now renewable is going to be a key national strategic interest thing since means no longer reliant on coal/oil/gas imports; only issue is a lot of solar coming from China (wind turbines in most of the world are very localized / from the West).
 

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Ukraine invasion: Western allies agree to kick select Russian banks out of SWIFT - cutting them off from global financial network​

Western allies have agreed to remove selected Russian banks from the SWIFT messaging system, cutting them off from the international financial network.

In a joint statement, EU leaders and their counterparts in the UK, US and Canada reiterated their condemnation of Vladimir Putin's invasion of Ukraine, describing it as "an assault on fundamental international rules".

Headlining a raft of new measures, the statement said: "We commit to ensuring that selected Russian banks are removed from the SWIFT messaging system.

"This will ensure that these banks are disconnected from the international financial system and harm their ability to operate globally."
 
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