Coronavirus around the world thread

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Why? There is a different government, different lockdown rules, etc... It's like the western cape bragging about zero deaths in the western cape.
The only way this political hogwash will ever be at all measurable i.t.o. its effectiveness is to compare it against a placebo type province
i.e. a province which would have prohibited all political interference -- sharing similarities with Sweden and North Dakota.

To now try to state that government action has made things better is just moronic... because what are you comparing it against. The reason why randomised controlled trials are considered the gauge of efficacy is because they eliminate the moron factor -- i.e. those who by virtue of their knowledge will skew the results once way or the other, irrespective of the trial's actual efficacy.

Simply said those that they believe the ANC made a difference with COVID... are morons -- the same applies to a majority of political parties the world over -- those who so easily justified why an increase in authoritarianism, along with less liberty, was not only somehow beneficial, but the only action that would somehow save lives and maximise good will.
 
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It’s not really four countries though.

Yes, it is.

The United Kingdom is made up of four countries: England, Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland. Its full name is the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland.

Great Britain, however, comprises only England, Scotland and Wales. Great Britain is the largest island of the British Isles. Northern Ireland and the Irish Republic form the second largest island.


The top-level division of administrative geography in the UK is the 4 countries – England, Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland.

As well as the national government at Westminster, there are also devolved administrations in Edinburgh, Cardiff and Belfast.



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Whats the odds on the same argument on different forums by a different user in the same week?
 
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I take you’re not getting the vaccine. My housemate has said many people in Hermanus who she comes in contact with won’t get it. Baffles me, I’m first in line when I can get it.
I guess you forgot that I already was positive for COVID early last year...
i.e. the standard way the world gained immunity from yearly viruses prior to this... also I've spent most of the year in Asia, so I'm considerably overexposed to COVID having spent time in Singapore, Vietnam, Thailand and Japan.

As for whether I'll get a vaccine for something that I already have immunity -- Nope.

If I didn't already have immunity I would most certainly not ever agree to be injected with the vaccine -- even if the ANC mandated it under threat of imprisonment -- why? Simple... why would I risk my health on a rushed vaccine that has had no extensive randomised blind studies, more so for a virus with such a low mortality rate, where the overwhelming majority of those infected suffer no symptoms worse than the average yearly flu.
 
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I guess you forgot that I already was positive for COVID early last year...
i.e. the standard way the world gained immunity from yearly viruses prior to this

As for whether I'll get a vaccine for something that I already have immunity -- Nope.

If I didn't already have immunity I would most certainly not ever agree to be injected with the vaccine -- even if the ANC mandated it under threat of imprisonment -- why? Simple... why would I risk my health on a rushed vaccine that has had no extensive randomised blind studies, more so for a virus with such a low mortality rate, where the overwhelming majority of those infected suffer no symptoms worse than the average yearly flu.
I do remember and it was a rhetorical question, your stance is well known ;). I will be getting it asap.
 
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I do remember and it was a rhetorical question, your stance is well known ;). I will be getting it asap.
Funny how when mandates are challenged with verified studies like Masks, Handwashing, Lockdowns, etc... then nothing but a randomized blind trial's results will be accepted against it... even then studies that disprove the rhetoric are still dismissed... don't talk about it and it doesn't exist... but when it comes to a rushed vaccine then insisting on randomized blind trails is brushed aside, and the person labelled a science denier.
 
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"Brainwashing is strong with this one"
Nope... they had no effect on prevention.

For example:
US Total deaths per year
2018​
2019​
2020​
2,606,928​
2,614,950​
2,877,601​
A 0.075% increase in a population of +-350 million over 2019;
Now ascertain and exclude what % of the deaths were because of the lockdowns and other non COVID factors e.g.
  • Suicides because of bankruptcies, and other
  • Delayed emergency healthcare e.g. surgeries, etc...
  • Crime increases
  • ...
You fail to account for the fewer deaths by drunken people, gang violence, school shootings, car accidents etc. Considering that people were at home for nearly a year - that is a lot of people who died.
 

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You might believe that but nobody outside of the islands think of it as different countries.

If nobody outside Great Britain thinks that why do the Springboks play international tests against England, Wales and Scotland?

Maybe they think of them as separate countries?

Do you know the definition of a country?

A country may be an independent sovereign state or part of a larger state,[1] as a non-sovereign or formerly sovereign political division, a physical territory with a government, or a geographic region associated with sets of previously independent or differently associated people with distinct political characteristics. It is not inherently sovereign.
 

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If nobody outside Great Britain thinks that why do the Springboks play international tests against England, Wales and Scotland?

Maybe they think of them as separate countries?

Do you know the definition of a country?
Not worth argueing, believe what you like. Ask any non UK person if they think you are four countries or one. Yeah, you know what the answer is. Won’t respond further.
 
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You fail to account for the fewer deaths by drunken people, gang violence, school shootings, car accidents etc. Considering that people were at home for nearly a year - that is a lot of people who died.
There was less shootings due to gun violence? Nope the statistics say you're completely wrong; they increased by a lot... funny how it is when you deprive of their livelihood, that many turn to crime and consequentially violence comes along for the ride. It's not as if anyone could have foreseen this. :rolleyes:

Deaths by drunken people incl. family violence have ramped up; locking people in a can doesn't reduce violence it funny enough increases it.
Gang violence... nope. When you lock people in a can, more people take to drugs, creating a boom for gangsters -- who naturally don't like to share. Statistics prove this to be the case; huge gang violence increase., funny how that works. :rolleyes:

Plus Democrats decided it would be a good idea to release a lot of prisoners (because COVID) and do away with bail (because a murderer has feelings)... so even more violent offenders were on the streets during this experiment -- funny how that also translated to more crime, and not less, who would have thunk.:rolleyes:

...and we haven't even considered the whole defund the police lunacy... how many died because police were idly observing the rioting and looting scumbags, how many because police were defunded (e.g. recruitment programs were ceased), how many because police early resignations ramped up.
 
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BS... apparently statistics don't matter to those pushing alarmist porn.
What are you referring to? India's situation is genuinely dire beyond comprehension.

BS.... alarmist porn on repeat; as exciting as a DSTV repeat.
I get useful insight into the state of the private hospitals here in PE thanks to my dad's fiancé, and last we spoke a few days ago she said that things were going better than in the past 12 months. Less than 10 new Covid patients each day, and I think they celebrated a specific day recently where none came in.

But that can change fast, as they've already experienced. And she said they're worried about Bloem, which is supposedly not coping with its Covid cases.

Considering how many people we've lost to Covid, incl. more than one neighbour, my dad's best friend, a new mother a few houses down and some FB acquaintances, Covid is worth taking very seriously until you've been vaccinated.
 
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What are you referring to? India's situation is genuinely dire beyond comprehension.


I get useful insight into the state of the private hospitals here in PE thanks to my dad's fiancé, and last we spoke a few days ago she said that things were going better than in the past 12 months. Less than 10 new Covid patients each day, and I think they celebrated a specific day recently where none came in.

But that can change fast, as they've already experienced. And she said they're worried about Bloem, which is supposedly not coping with its Covid cases.

Considering how many people we've lost to Covid, incl. more than one neighbour, my dad's best friend, a new mother a few houses down and some FB acquaintances, Covid is worth taking very seriously until you've been vaccinated.
Current statistics don't support the alarmist porn re India.
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Mortality for COVID has a maximum of 0.15%; whilst arguably worse than average flu, although that's debatable re the classification of COVID deaths e.g. Sweden only saw a 0.03% total mortality increase over a normal year -- so it's not a crisis by any measure and certainly does not justify the world switching to a heavy handed authoritarian order that strips citizens of their liberty -- Sweden didn't and they didn't fair worse, neither did e.g. South Dakota in the US, and they didn't fair worse than the states that did -- quite the contrary they faired better, and didn't destroy their economy or strip people of their liberty with heavy handed authoritarian style rules.

Plus all the measures taken to "control" COVID were never supported by actual science e.g. mask, lockdowns, etc...
The studies prove exactly the opposite of the BS rules these despotic leaders have imposed. In this case the remedy was most certainly far worse than the disease.

It's alarmist porn by any measure -- those that are turned on by this BS, simply can't get enough -- for the rest of sane society, it's irritating to say the least.
 
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Current statistics don't support the alarmist porn re India.
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Mortality for COVID has a maximum of 0.15%; whilst arguably worse than average flu, although that's debatable re the classification of COVID deaths e.g. Sweden only saw a 0.03% total mortality increase over a normal year -- so it's not a crisis by any measure and certainly does not justify the world switching to a heavy handed authoritarian order that strips citizens of their liberty -- Sweden didn't and they didn't fair worse, neither did e.g. South Dakota in the US, and they didn't fair worse than the states that did -- quite the contrary they faired better, and didn't destroy their economy or strip people of their liberty with heavy handed authoritarian style rules.

Plus all the measures taken to "control" COVID were never supported by actual science e.g. mask, lockdowns, etc...
The studies prove exactly the opposite of the BS rules these despotic leaders have imposed. In this case the remedy was most certainly far worse than the disease.

It's alarmist porn by any measure -- those that are turned on by this BS, simply can't get enough -- for the rest of sane society, it's irritating to say the least.
That chart is way off the mark. Just Google 'India covid stats' and you'll get an in-line, up to date chart that shows the insane curve towards the end that reflects the current crisis. I mean, they're burning bodies in fields of pyres and can't do it fast enough. It's a political crisis that could unseat the government in the next elections. To call things 'business as usual' or something to that effect seems insane.

Everything you're saying sounds like the sort of thing people who haven't been personally affected say. A chunk of my family works in hospitals, so there is nothing on this Earth that can convince us that Covid isn't the worst bloody thing. The deaths, the overworking, the seriousness of symptoms endured by health workers, the loss of colleagues etc. is very real and a bunch of naysaying, Alex Jones-type anti-vaxxers who won't tolerate a bit of social distancing and mask wearing to help out with things is such a massive insult to those who suffer the consequences of those actions.

I'm not especially interested in or up to date with studies about the effectiveness of various anti-Covid measures, but I'd assume it would be trivially easy to prove a strong positive correlation. You need look no further than New Zealand or Australia to see that adhering to brief lockdowns can stop Covid in its tracks. For months already there, life has been back to normal for the most part.

What we need is common sense, even more than vaccines. Life isn't one big conspiracy. Bill Gates isn't trying to take over. The WHO is doing its best with a dire lack of resources, financial backing and political pressure. Regarding masks specifically, I've been sent YouTube videos that I never bothered to watch showing the difference in how you spread particles with a mask on vs. off. No doubt they can be easily found. And it's a simple fact that there are no cases, in the UK at least, of any individuals who were vaccinated whilst not having Covid and later contracted Covid and experienced serious symptoms. There is no comparing it with flu at any level. Flu has never overrun hospitals in PE, or caused so much loss of life.

Lockdowns work, wearing a mask helps, not touching people's hands helps, vaccines save incalculable lives and a genuinely terrifying number of people in SA have died or nearly died from Covid. Just chill out with all the conspiracy talk man. Things are hard enough as they are. We don't need some anti-lockdown rally to kickstart a new wave.
 
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That chart is way off the mark. Just Google 'India covid stats' and you'll get an in-line, up to date chart that shows the insane curve towards the end that reflects the current crisis. I mean, they're burning bodies in fields of pyres and can't do it fast enough. It's a political crisis that could unseat the government in the next elections. To call things 'business as usual' or something to that effect seems insane.

Everything you're saying sounds like the sort of thing people who haven't been personally affected say. A chunk of my family works in hospitals, so there is nothing on this Earth that can convince us that Covid isn't the worst bloody thing. The deaths, the overworking, the seriousness of symptoms endured by health workers, the loss of colleagues etc. is very real and a bunch of naysaying, Alex Jones-type anti-vaxxers who won't tolerate a bit of social distancing and mask wearing to help out with things is such a massive insult to those who suffer the consequences of those actions.

I'm not especially interested in or up to date with studies about the effectiveness of various anti-Covid measures, but I'd assume it would be trivially easy to prove a strong positive correlation. You need look no further than New Zealand or Australia to see that adhering to brief lockdowns can stop Covid in its tracks. For months already there, life has been back to normal for the most part.

What we need is common sense, even more than vaccines. Life isn't one big conspiracy. Bill Gates isn't trying to take over. The WHO is doing its best with a dire lack of resources, financial backing and political pressure. Regarding masks specifically, I've been sent YouTube videos that I never bothered to watch showing the difference in how you spread particles with a mask on vs. off. No doubt they can be easily found. And it's a simple fact that there are no cases, in the UK at least, of any individuals who were vaccinated whilst not having Covid and later contracted Covid and experienced serious symptoms. There is no comparing it with flu at any level. Flu has never overrun hospitals in PE, or caused so much loss of life.

Lockdowns work, wearing a mask helps, not touching people's hands helps, vaccines save incalculable lives and a genuinely terrifying number of people in SA have died or nearly died from Covid. Just chill out with all the conspiracy talk man. Things are hard enough as they are. We don't need some anti-lockdown rally to kickstart a new wave.
Try reading the heading of the graph... what you are comparing is not the same... this graph is cumulative COVID deaths per million i.e. a mortality ratio which is what's actually relevant (it also btw how previous pandemics are rated)
-- hence this is the only rational and non alarmist porn comparison between countries, other pandemics and even seasonal flu.

The graphs you are referencing are just part of the alarmist porn... i.e. it's easy to present data to make it look more severe than it really is.
For example... compare this one to previous ratio graph.
India 2.png
"OMG o_O look at the upward trajectory... it's a looming crisis."

When in reality the ratio per million is still substantially lower than e.g. Europe and UK. Ratios are important because they allow a rational comparison between countries, and also can be used to predict total mortality and to gauge if the problem is becoming worse or not.
Whereas many of the trajectory graphs are nothing than alarmist porn -- because they statistically add no value, but they sure do create a lot of panic.

Studies published mid last year by CDC disprove the validity of masks and hand sanitisers -- the results from 14 trials done globally.

Also the CDC and FDA has not approved the COVID vaccine --- what? think on that for a moment...
...and then ask why would emergency use authorisation and legal indemnity be required for the drug companies for a vaccine that is so safe?

Polio, Chicken Pox, Small Pox... vaccines are safe -- why? because they've undergone extensive randomised placebo style trials -- hence they are approved by the CDC and FDA, and they did not require emergency use authorisations, nor were drug companies provided with legal indemnity.

You just assume that everyone who refuses to take the COVID vaccine is an anti-vaxxers -- when the reality is you're naive... nope we oppose a rushed and unapproved vaccine that even drug companies required legal indemnity to release.

Why? ... because unlike the rest of the morons we're not willing to be anyone's guinea pig -- and we're most certainly not willing to take any treatment where the drug companies cannot be sued.

As for the rest of your waffle... alarmism porn is like polarising lenses -- those that want to see panic, see panic... where as the rest of sane society wonder how all the supposedly COVID swamped hospital staff the world over found the time to e.g. choreograph multiple dance routines for tiktok.

Reality is that hospitals every year see an influx of patients during the flu season... COVID is at most two to three times as bad as seasonal flu... assuming we can trust the classification of cases globally -- bear in mind there was no global standardisation for this, and even worse some countries decided it would be a good idea to financially incentivise over reporting -- funny how almost everything is classified as COVID when its a revenue stream for hospitals that were prohibited from exercising their normal bread and butter revenue streams.

Also if you believe it's so easy to create a vaccine for a virus (in 6 months)... then pray tell where is the vaccine for HIV?
HIV by any measure is a far worse global pandemic than COVID?
 
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