Critical race theory (CRT)

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The tell is how they become affronted when you ask them to provide evidence for their claims; they fail to notice that the conclusion they're trying to prove is actually derived from the interpretive framework they're applying to the evidence, not the evidence itself. Like you can actually see her brain fuzz over with pain as she tries to explain it in the video... :ROFLMAO:

I once saw a statue of Shaka Zulu, it was very traumatising to my white fragility...
 

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The tell is how they become affronted when you ask them to provide evidence for their claims; they fail to notice that the conclusion they're trying to prove is actually derived from the interpretive framework they're applying to the evidence, not the evidence itself. Like you can actually see her brain fuzz over with pain as she tries to explain it in the video... :ROFLMAO:

I once saw a statue of Shaka Zulu, it was very traumatising to my white fragility...
Tik tok is a petri dish of special people, its the only place they can get attention.
 

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I'm trying to be generous and agree with some of what you said... so here goes:
  • "failure of a government to deliver promises to the people who voted it in..."
    • Sure, normally elections have consequences -- but after 27 years... it's foolish to call SA anything but what it is... a totalitarian government with farcical elections and an ever diminishing veneer of democracy.
  • "How the fuck can you draw parallels with the USA when it is a completely different situation.. ... is not down to politics but corruption and the failure of the ANC"
    • Easy... USA is like 50 attempts at Democracy, whereas SA is only 1; the difference however at state level is far less than you try to make it out to be... although granted areas within the states, counties, cities and towns have far greater autonomy that SA, but that serves a purpose in that it highlights what SA could be; historically it was part of the objective for SA, but Mandela + ANC opposed it, because it would have undermined the totalitarian position the ANC had come to enjoy post 1994.
    • As for corruption... surely you're not trying to imply the USA, it's states, counties, cities and towns are somehow devoid of corruption...?
    • I agree SA is different because it does not have a federal safety net like the USA, but that was to a more limited degree part of the initial design... the ANC + Mandela just refused to forgo their totalitarian hold on SA.
So much energy spent whining about nonsense.
 

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[)roi(] has left the building. He pm'ed me last night to say he can't take the "leftists" anymore and he's leaving and that I can delete his account. Told him to hang around but he declined. I then tried to solicit a donation but didn't get a reply. ;)

Think I'll follow the FB approach of account deletion and give him a few weeks to log in again.
So long as his comments stay, he must be really bored to whine about dumb shit like this. I can only hope that he is a troll.
 

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This looks like the type of education Paul Hjul would suggest, no?

Without even clicking on the link I can state quite emphatically that I am supportive of a mathematics at school curriculum that divorces itself from racism and sexism

Above all though I want a curriculum drawn up by actual experts in mathematics education rather than "culture wars" politicians who are telling teachers how to practice their profession.

With the moron brigade having flown off the handle I am uncertain as to whether there is any honest appetite for a discussion. So let me ask if any good faith person wants me to dive into the drivel from Xarog.
 

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Without even clicking on the link I can state quite emphatically that I am supportive of a mathematics at school curriculum that divorces itself from racism and sexism

Above all though I want a curriculum drawn up by actual experts in mathematics education rather than "culture wars" politicians who are telling teachers how to practice their profession.

With the moron brigade having flown off the handle I am uncertain as to whether there is any honest appetite for a discussion. So let me ask if any good faith person wants me to dive into the drivel from Xarog.

Alright then. In the spirit of a good and honest discussion. Let's first define racism. Tell us how do you define racism and sexism.
 

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@Paul Hjul, before you go shooting your mouth off in comical ignorance again, I thought I'd throw you a bone. You see, there are many definitions of racism (and sexism) at play in this particular conversation, some mutually exclusive, and it's rather important to make sure that equivocations do not inadvertantly occur.

With that in mind:


A binary opposition (also binary system) is a pair of related terms or concepts that are opposite in meaning. Binary opposition is the system of language and/or thought by which two theoretical opposites are strictly defined and set off against one another.[1] It is the contrast between two mutually exclusive terms, such as on and off, up and down, left and right.[2] Binary opposition is an important concept of structuralism, which sees such distinctions as fundamental to all language and thought.[2] In structuralism, a binary opposition is seen as a fundamental organizer of human philosophy, culture, and language.

Binary opposition originated in Saussurean structuralist theory.[3] According to Ferdinand de Saussure, the binary opposition is the means by which the units of language have value or meaning; each unit is defined in reciprocal determination with another term, as in binary code. It is not a contradictory relation but a structural, complementary one.[3] Saussure demonstrated that a sign's meaning is derived from its context (syntagmatic dimension) and the group (paradigm) to which it belongs.[4] An example of this is that one cannot conceive of 'good' if we do not understand 'evil'.[5]

Typically, one of the two opposites assumes a role of dominance over the other. The categorization of binary oppositions is "often value-laden and ethnocentric", with an illusory order and superficial meaning.[6] Furthermore, Pieter Fourie discovered that binary oppositions have a deeper or second level of binaries that help to reinforce meaning. As an example, the concepts hero and villain involve secondary binaries: good/bad, handsome/ugly, liked/disliked, and so on.[7]

A classic example of a binary opposition is the presence-absence dichotomy. According to structuralism, distinguishing between presence and absence, viewed as polar opposites, is a fundamental element of thought in many cultures. In addition, according to post-structuralist criticisms, presence occupies a position of dominance in human society over absence, because absence is traditionally seen as what you get when you take away presence. (Had absence been dominant, presence might have most naturally been seen as what you get when you take away an absence.)[8]

According to Jacques Derrida,[9] meaning is often defined in terms of binary oppositions, where "one of the two terms governs the other."

An example of a binary opposition is the male-female dichotomy. A post-structuralist view is that male can be seen, according to traditional thought, as dominant over female because male is the presence of a phallus, while the vagina is an absence or loss. John Searle has suggested that the concept of binary oppositions—as taught and practiced by postmodernists and poststructuralists—is specious and lacking in rigor.[10]


The political (rather than analytic or conceptual) critique of binary oppositions is an important part of third wave feminism, post-colonialism, post-anarchism, and critical race theory, which argue that the perceived binary dichotomy between man/woman, civilized/uncivilised, and white/black have perpetuated and legitimized societal power structures favoring a specific majority. In the last fifteen years it has become routine for many social and/or historical analyses to address the variables of gender, class, sexuality, race and ethnicity.[11] Within each of these categories there is usually an unequal binary opposition: bourgeoisie/working class man; white/people of colour; men/women; heterosexual/homosexual.[11]
 

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Man, the CRT page on wikipedia is being edited like crazy lately. A rather delicious link from Posner was unearthed:


It seems we agree on rather a lot, except for the rationalism over narrative thing; sorry Posner, but the postmodernists actually have a bit of a point. Whether you call it Maat, Asha, Rta, Logos, Dharma, Jesus or Karma, the narrative of truth has been the way we structure our civilisations for a long time indeed, and rationalism doesn't exist in a vacuum.
 

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If anyone wants to know what CRT is, fresh from someone who got their doctorate in it, show them this. I time-stamped it at a particularly juicy part. :sneaky:

Edit: Sure resembles the style of conversation of someone who's recently been around these parts... :whistle:
 

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If anyone wants to know what CRT is, fresh from someone who got their doctorate in it, show them this. I time-stamped it at a particularly juicy part. :sneaky:

Edit: Sure resembles the style of conversation of someone who's recently been around these parts... :whistle:
Obama is oppressed
 

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TIL not wanting commie revolutionary propaganda in the classroom is racist. Who could've guessed?
I blame the woman he is trying to bang for this.... more than likely a student teacher, had she just said 'I'm not going to sleep with you' the day they met, he wouldn't be stuck in the friend zone still trying to get some by making an ass of himself of tiktok
 
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