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SauRoN

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No, but what am I buying? Crypto is not selling vapourware, it IS vapourware.

If the Internet crashes, I can still go to my bank and draw bits of paper which will be accepted by a merchant. Crypto will be gone.

Pretty sure if the internet dies your bank is also going to have a pretty hard time.

And besides you should technically be able to get your crypto offline much the same way you would hard cash.

It’s definitely not vapourware, but it’s certainly a hard concept to understand. If it were vapourware then surely all apps you’ve bought on your phone are vapourware too?

Is this chat we are having vapourware just because it’s digital?


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Trope? It’s a simple fact.

If you support and care about crypto you don’t really care about the enviroment.
Hahahahaha, oh my sides. Make sure you don't choke on your steak there Greta :ROFLMAO:
 

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Is this chat we are having vapourware just because it’s digital?

No, this chat (like crypto coins) is vapourware because if the person controlling the server hits the off button it will cease to exist completely.

If Bio flicks the switch all you're going to get when you try and navigate here is an error 404.

None of the crypto fans have answered this question yet, if your $1,000 crypto suddenly disappears from the net, who are you going to sue?

I know if my £££’s suddenly disappear from my bank account that my bank and I will likely soon have an appointment in court (if the ombudsman doesn’t order their return even before that). Even if my bank was to go bust, I’ll still get my money back, can you say the same for your crypto?

No? That’s because your crypto is just a giant ponzi of 1’s and 0’s sitting in all sorts of dark places on the net...
 

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Hahahahaha, oh my sides. Make sure you don't choke on your steak there Greta :ROFLMAO:

I’m not Greta, and I’m reasonably comfortable knowing that to eat my steak an animal died.

An analogy of Crypto fans is more like they want to wear a seal skin coat but they don’t want to know about the seal clubbing and anyway the seal clubbing will drop off drastically so it’s a pretty short-term concern.

Fact, if you are a crypto fan you are damaging the environment, if you’re happy to do so, then so be it, but don’t try and pretend it doesn’t happen.
 

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No, this chat (like crypto coins) is vapourware because if the person controlling the server hits the off button it will cease to exist completely.

If Bio flicks the switch all you're going to get when you try and navigate here is an error 404.

None of the crypto fans have answered this question yet, if your $1,000 crypto suddenly disappears from the net, who are you going to sue?

I know if my £££’s suddenly disappear from my bank account that my bank and I will likely soon have an appointment in court (if the ombudsman doesn’t order their return even before that). Even if my bank was to go bust, I’ll still get my money back, can you say the same for your crypto?

No? That’s because your crypto is just a giant ponzi of 1’s and 0’s sitting in all sorts of dark places on the net...

It can’t disappear hence you’ll never need to sue anyone.

Did you miss the part about it being distributed? You’d literally need to turn off every single node across the world.

In a similar way (but not by it’s base design) if the plug is pulled on this forum it doesn’t disappear as it still lives on in archives of the internet.

Your bank going bust logic doesn’t apply here as it’s not the same thing and doesn’t have the same points of failure.

There’s also no guarantee that if your bank goes bust you get anything. One would hope so for sure, but it’s not guaranteed.

But here’s the interesting question to you since you are stuck on banks. If your very own bank offers you a crypto currency account tomorrow will you suddenly consider it legitimate or still call it a scam?

And if you still consider it a scam will you leave said bank?

All the big banks are getting on this wagon. I mean Standard Bank basically has their own crypto network now.


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I’m not Greta, and I’m reasonably comfortable knowing that to eat my steak an animal died.

An analogy of Crypto fans is more like they want to wear a seal skin coat but they don’t want to know about the seal clubbing and anyway the seal clubbing will drop off drastically so it’s a pretty short-term concern.

Fact, if you are a crypto fan you are damaging the environment, if you’re happy to do so, then so be it, but don’t try and pretend it doesn’t happen.

I'm pretending nothing, I'm aware of the impact, I have eyes with which to read. But then I don't eat meat for quite some time now yet you do so who's impact is worse? When you eat your steak you are not only killing an animal but you are also damaging the environment to a far greater degree than crypto. If you are happy to do so then good for you, that's your look out and it's not for me to moralise at the implications as you seem want to do with me. The absolute cheek of you taking the moral high ground and thinking that my contribution to global warming is any worse than yours :ROFLMAO:
 

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I’m not Greta, and I’m reasonably comfortable knowing that to eat my steak an animal died.

An analogy of Crypto fans is more like they want to wear a seal skin coat but they don’t want to know about the seal clubbing and anyway the seal clubbing will drop off drastically so it’s a pretty short-term concern.

Fact, if you are a crypto fan you are damaging the environment, if you’re happy to do so, then so be it, but don’t try and pretend it doesn’t happen.

Rereading that again, actually where the fuck did you thumb suck this? Are you generalising or do you have someone specific in mind? What a load of bollocks.
 

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There’s also no guarantee that if your bank goes bust you get anything. One would hope so for sure, but it’s not guaranteed.

You want to bet?


 

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I'm pretending nothing, I'm aware of the impact, I have eyes with which to read. But then I don't eat meat for quite some time now yet you do so who's impact is worse? When you eat your steak you are not only killing an animal but you are also damaging the environment to a far greater degree than crypto. If you are happy to do so then good for you, that's your look out and it's not for me to moralise at the implications as you seem want to do with me. The absolute cheek of you taking the moral high ground and thinking that my contribution to global warming is any worse than yours :ROFLMAO:

You are taking it quite personally when it’s obviously about crypto fans in general. You also seem to miss the fact that I said “if you’re happy to do so, then so be it, but don’t try and pretend it doesn’t happen”.

So where did I say you shouldn’t do it? or even compare which process causes more or less environmental damage?
 

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You want to bet?



I meant banks as a general term. Not yours specifically.

But yes this certainly is the case for most.

In the scope of an entire financial collapse I’m not sure they’ll be there to pay out everyone though.


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You are taking it quite personally when it’s obviously about crypto fans in general. You also seem to miss the fact that I said “if you’re happy to do so, then so be it, but don’t try and pretend it doesn’t happen”.

So where did I say you shouldn’t do it? or even compare which process causes more or less environmental damage?

So basically everything you are saying is a sweeping generalisation based on some kind of stereotype that I clearly know nothing about? I have to admit I’m quite confused. And if I’m taking it personally it is because you are including me in this random nonsense.

Mind you, I’m not taking it so personally, I enjoy a good joust ;)
 

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So basically everything you are saying is a sweeping generalisation based on some kind of stereotype that I clearly know nothing about?

Sweeping generalisations relating to crypto currency, yes.

I have to admit I’m quite confused. And if I’m taking it personally it is because you are including me in this random nonsense.

You’re only included as a fan of crypto currency.

Mind you, I’m not taking it so personally, I enjoy a good joust ;)

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Nope, that is banks in general, as in 5,963 different banks, not mine specifically.

Irrelevant anyway as I’ve already said I don’t believe it’s a currency just yet.

It’s much like trading/investing on the Forex or Stock Markets which don’t have the same protections as banks in any case.


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I'll take a stab at @biometrics's argument (as I see it, correct me if I'm wrong).

I saw the article on MyBB about Bitcoin's launch. I think killadoob started it, I could be wrong. I decided to keep my spare cpu cycles in einstein@home instead.

If I'd taken it seriously at the time I'd rather wealthy to say the least. Early adoption as a means of measuring privilege seems a bit arbitrary. People don't control when they're born.

Another problem is the loss of coins. People can die without anyone else knowing their private keys. Hard-drives fail, places burn down. Less coins in circulation push the value up of those still around.

Quantum computers could very well make working out those private-keys extremely trivial. A better implementation will undoubtedly be thought up.

It's bound to be made obsolete at some point. Anyone who's held on too long to a shitcoin/scamcoin will know how it feels to hold the bag.

Living large at the expense of future generations' suffering just seems wrong.
 

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It makes me a gambler. Football, elections, crypto. All fair game.
USDC is ranked top 20 for market cap, and the coin is impossible to gamble with because it will always be the value of $1.
 
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