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That's a stupid one, Zapiro always has these socialist stuff randomly that are just a lack of thought.

The countries that developed and paid for the vaccine should get the vaccine first, they're also paying a premium so that poorer nations also get them. And then they need to define rich, South Africa is still ranked in the top 50 largest economies in the world, even after all the covid, eskom etc. issues.

Another thing is that most of the rich countries buy them and then gift them to poorer countries, e.g. Germany "The German government has pledged to donate at least 30 million vaccine doses of the AstraZeneca and Johnson & Johnson vaccines by the end of 2021." https://www.dw.com/en/covid-germany-set-to-donate-vaccine-doses-to-other-countries/a-58695131

And then Covax, so donations for helping vaccine access around the world, note the dates:
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This is the table as of June:

That Zapiro piece is just a completely false narrative and annoys me, it causes tensions when there shouldn't be one, attacking countries that are the ones actually producing it and taking the risk, who are also overpaying to help the rest who can't afford it. Even at cost price of the $20-40 that Pfizer and J&J are, most countries cannot afford to purchase for their full populations.
 

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That's a stupid one, Zapiro always has these socialist stuff randomly that are just a lack of thought.

The countries that developed and paid for the vaccine should get the vaccine first, they're also paying a premium so that poorer nations also get them. And then they need to define rich, South Africa is still ranked in the top 50 largest economies in the world, even after all the covid, eskom etc. issues.

Another thing is that most of the rich countries buy them and then gift them to poorer countries, e.g. Germany "The German government has pledged to donate at least 30 million vaccine doses of the AstraZeneca and Johnson & Johnson vaccines by the end of 2021." https://www.dw.com/en/covid-germany-set-to-donate-vaccine-doses-to-other-countries/a-58695131

And then Covax, so donations for helping vaccine access around the world, note the dates:
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This is the table as of June:

That Zapiro piece is just a completely false narrative and annoys me, it causes tensions when there shouldn't be one, attacking countries that are the ones actually producing it and taking the risk, who are also overpaying to help the rest who can't afford it. Even at cost price of the $20-40 that Pfizer and J&J are, most countries cannot afford to purchase for their full populations.
 

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That article is terrible.

Statements like:
Far from Bourla’s self-serving narrative, Pfizer has not materially contributed to vaccine equity. Instead, for the past year both Pfizer and its German partner BioNTech have refused to share vaccine know-how with other manufacturers around the world.
So you want Pfizer to just give away how to make an mRNA vaccine, nice. You know that was decades of research and billions of dollars of research?

Germany blocked saying IP should be free since companies would then no longer research it since it would just be taken away.

No statement backing up the 2.5% to Africa, also you missed my entire comment about the fact that those "richer" countries (South Africa is actually a rich country btw) are the ones funding the research and therefore got buying rights? They also donate to Africa.

Most of the donations have been since May to July/August about, guess what, that's pretty similar to Europe getting vaccines, and then the two month delay and you're seeing lots of stuff in South Africa now.

Now that EU is finally hitting 60%+ they are donating to Africa, they paid for it. Why should US, EU etc. give to Africa before sorting themselves out first? That makes no sense.

The important bit is this:

Global vaccine supply is still lagging​

Analysis by Stephanie Hegarty, BBC population correspondent
It's a big pledge but it'll be met with a fair share of scepticism from countries still waiting to vaccinate even 2% of their population.
The US had already pledged 580m doses but delivered only 160m of those so far.
So what's different now? Well, global production has picked up in the past few months and there are doses available.
Rich countries could have 1.2bn spare doses by the end of the year, even if they run booster campaigns, according to science analytics firm Airfinity. 241m of those could go to waste if they're not donated. But these need to be sent very soon.

Covax, the WHO-backed scheme to help distribute vaccines fairly, has told the BBC that too many of the donations it's receiving have come in small quantities, at the last minute and with little time left before they expire.
That makes their job of getting them to where they are needed very hard. If Biden want to meet this ambitious goal of vaccinating the world by this time next year, that will have to change.
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The White House's Covid summit comes as research shows rich countries are still holding surpluses of vaccines, many of which could soon be thrown out.
In June, members of the G7 - Canada, France, Germany, Italy, Japan, the UK and the US - pledged to donate one billion doses to poor countries over the next year.
President Biden pledged 580m at the time, of which the US has delivered only 160m so far.

With the biggest problem being the give just before expire bit, the largest problem in Africa is infrastructure, so how do you get the vaccine to them, that India delay meant a good 3-6 months delay for vaccines for most of the rest of the world outside of Pfizer/BionTech since US/Germany and Moderna is US, AZ is UK.
The Serum Institute of India, the largest manufacturer of vaccines in the world and the biggest supplier to the international Covax programme, has been told to halt exports and that the measures could last as long as two to three months, according to two people familiar with the situation.
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Deliveries of Covid-19 vaccines to lower-income economies participating in the Covax facility will face delays following a setback in securing export licences for further doses . . . produced by the Serum Institute of India (SII) expected to be shipped in March and April,” Gavi said in a statement.

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As an aside, should South Africa start donating vaccines to India?
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Do note as well, Africa has 40% of the pop under the age of 15, those are not really main targets for the vaccine.
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But of course, poor Africa, can't afford the vaccines, rest of the world must help it (which they will, after sorting themselves out first).
 
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