Poor should be allowed to steal from stores?

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Poor starving shop lifter... at least he didn't steal less than $950...

I wonder how many of South Africa's stores could stay open if this leftist policy was embraced here... steal less than R12,890.00 and nobody will prosecute you.

Ps. how much do those Apple goodies go for? I wonder if taking bits of a more expensive thing counts as a lay-by
i.e. I legally steal a more expensive thing in bits and pieces?

 
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They should post that district attorney's address and invite all the needy for a free for all. ;)
 

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He's not stupid; he's obviously a clever guy. But he falls for these fallacies every time.

There is a subset of brilliant autistic people, usually exceptionally gifted at maths oriented studies who are like young children mentally when it comes to mental suggestion and manipulation, they are easily led and can be made to believe outlandish conspiracy theories that a normal person would scoff at.

Perhaps he is somewhere on that spectrum.
 

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Poor starving shop lifter... at least he didn't steal less than $950...

I wonder how many of South Africa's stores could stay open if this leftist policy was embraced here... steal less than R12,890.00 and nobody will prosecute you.

Ps. how much do those Apple goodies go for? I wonder if taking bits of a more expensive thing counts as a lay-by
i.e. I legally steal a more expensive thing in bits and pieces?

No. Not at all what the article suggests. Look at this...
The retail executives and police officers emphasized the role of organized crime in the thefts. And they told the supervisors that Proposition 47, the 2014 ballot measure that reclassified nonviolent thefts as misdemeanors if the stolen goods are worth less than $950, had emboldened thieves.
It's still classified a misdemeanor, which is punishable by up to no more than a year in jail.

I found something about the UK as well. I don't know if it's applied universally or at all.
If you are convicted in court of shoplifting, you can be fined and/ or jailed for up to six months if the goods are worth less than £200; or for a maximum of seven years if they are worth more than £200.

US, especially cities like SF, has many fundamental socioeconomic issues which are, to a large extend, not present in other developed countries.
 
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No. Not at all what the article suggests. Look at this...

It's still classified a misdemeanor, which is punishable by up to no more than a year in jail.

I found something about the UK as well. I don't know if it's applied universally or at all.


US, especially cities like SF, has many fundamental socioeconomic issues which are, to a large extend, not present in other developed countries.
Wrong.
Officials agreed that different responses were needed depending on why someone was committing a crime. San Francisco Deputy Public Defender Doug Welch called in to the hearing to say his clients charged with shoplifting are not part of organized crime, but are homeless or struggling with substance abuse and need more services.

The San Francisco police burglary unit focuses on investigating serial shoplifters, especially if they’re violent, police said. Beat officers patrol known shoplifting areas. Last year, around 31% of shoplifting incidents resulted in arrest, a percentage that declined over the past couple years, police said.

A statement from Safeway read at Thursday’s hearing blamed Proposition 47, which lowered penalties for thefts under $950, for “dramatic increases” in shoplifting losses. Safaí said he is proud of Prop. 47 and supports criminal justice reform and rehabilitation, but also urges prosecution for organized crime and community ambassadors to prevent opportunistic shoplifting.


Professional shoplifters can work the system by stealing items under the threshold from one store and hitting several retailers in the same day. To prosecute, the district attorney has pursued aggregated charges for multiple petty theft incidents by the same person, such as a recent case of stolen scooters. Police said a person could also be charged with possession of stolen property worth more than $950.

As officials try to stave off crime, San Franciscans suffer from shuttered stores. Residents tried to save the Walgreens at Bush and Larkin in March, circulating a petition and arguing that the next closest store was not handicapped-accessible.

“This has become a lifeline for many seniors, people with disabilities, and low income residents who cannot go further out to other stores to get what they need,” the petition said.

The store still wound up closing.

Los Angeles
For juveniles, those accused of misdemeanors will no longer be prosecuted.

Gascon's office will also decline to seek bail for anyone charged with a misdemeanor or non-violent crime and will end the use of sentencing enhancements.

I could go on... there's a lot of factual evidence of this, including public statements and more often than not actions speak louder than words i.e. the statistics prove that these misdemeanors crimes are not being prosecuted, nor is bail sought i.e. even if the police arrest an individual, they will not be imprisoned and most certainly will not be prosecuted.

Bleeding heart reasoning (aka utter leftist stupidity) drives the election of these unethical and moronic politicians and officials -- as with all leftist governed cities; their demise is inevitable.

US, especially cities like SF, has many fundamental socioeconomic issues which are, to a large extend, not present in other developed countries.
That's a joke right? These "socioeconomic issues" are all self inflicted wounds created by bad governance and bad policies. All leftist dominated cities (including in other developer countries) have this to varying degrees; depending on how equally stupid and to what extent their bleeding heart policies are applied.

The age old saying from Hamlet is all but ignored by the bleeding heart leftists i.e.
“I do repent; but heaven hath pleas’d it so
To punish me with this, and this with me,
That I must be their scourge and minister.
I will bestow him, and will answer well
The death I gave him. So again good night
I must be cruel only to be kind.
Thus bad begins and worse remains behind.”
Societal issues including crime are never resolved by ignoring them -- the fairly modern day policy of Broken Windows is a proven approach to correct all these problems... funny how the left always do the exact opposite and the wonder they don't get a positive result.
The broken windows theory, defined in 1982 by social scientists James Wilson and George Kelling, drawing on earlier research by Stanford University psychologist Philip Zimbardo, argues that no matter how rich or poor a neighborhood, one broken window would soon lead to many more windows being broken:
  • “One unrepaired broken window is a signal that no one cares, and so breaking more windows costs nothing.”
Disorder increases levels of fear among citizens, which leads them to withdraw from the community and decrease participation in informal social control.

What do “broken windows” mean?
The broken windows are a metaphor for any visible sign of disorder in an environment that goes untended. This may include small crimes, acts of vandalism, drunken or disorderly conduct, etc. Being forced to confront minor problems can heavily influence how people feel about their environment, particularly their sense of safety.
 
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Wrong.


Los Angeles


I could go on... there's a lot of factual evidence of this, including public statements and more often than not actions speak louder than words i.e. the statistics prove that these misdemeanors crimes are not being prosecuted, nor is bail sought i.e. even if the police arrest an individual, they will not be imprisoned and most certainly will not be prosecuted.

Bleeding heart reasoning (aka utter leftist stupidity) drives the election of these unethical and moronic politicians and officials -- as with all leftist governed cities; their demise is inevitable.


That's a joke right? These "socioeconomic issues" are all self inflicted wounds created by bad governance and bad policies. All leftist dominated cities (including in other developer countries) have this to varying degrees; depending on how equally stupid and to what extent their bleeding heart policies are applied.

The age old saying from Hamlet is all but ignored by the bleeding heart leftists i.e.

Societal issues including crime are never resolved by ignoring them -- the fairly modern day policy of Broken Windows is a proven approach to correct all these problems... funny how the left always do the exact opposite and the wonder they don't get a positive result.

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Yes, |)roi(|, the entire left, from moderate centrist-left to hard-core anarcho-communists can all be painted with the same brush.
Anybody who promotes Marxism, Socialism, Communism and Fascism, or tries to argue that prefixing failed ideologies with terms like Democratic or Anarcho make any difference are morons.

So yes, if they fall into that group, then not only are they ignorant of history, but they incapable of reasoned thought / debate, devoid of logic and lack any notion of rationality, among others.
 
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He's not stupid; he's obviously a clever guy. But he falls for these fallacies every time.
The stupid people in this world are those who are punting leftist ideology as some sort of miracle cure... and yes that includes Hitler; he after all was a socialist, even though all the modern morons (aka leftists) keep trying their damnedest to distance themselves from the atrocities of the ideologies of the left:
  • Hitler, Stalin, Mao Zedong, Pol Pot, ...
Correction: the morons are the ones who allowed scumbags like Hitler, Stalin, ... to cease power -- those morons who believed the leftist ideological fairytales aka socialism, et al.

Rational people don't buy into fairytales -- fairytales are after all more often than not horror stories -- leftist fairytales are exactly that -- a recipe for economic ruin, starvation, genocide and slaughter en masse.
 
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They should post that district attorney's address and invite all the needy for a free for all. ;)
Elections always have consequences... the morons in California voted for these people, so as Karma demands; they deserve them, and the shit they germinate.

In a rational society the morons would wake up and correct their mistakes... nothing about leftism is rational... hence the rational citizens are packing up and leaving California in their droves, over 5 million have left in recent years, no different to what happens in countries where leftist government dominate.

Funny how, everyone flees from leftist governed areas to classical liberal / conservative territories and never the other way around.
Leftist dominated states like California, Ohio, New Jersey, Illinois... are seeing huge amounts of people leaving, so much so that these leftists states are now losing congressional seats (less people equals less seats), whereas red states are gaining seats.
 

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The stupid people in this world are those who are punting leftist ideology as some sort of miracle cure... and yes that includes Hitler; he after all was a socialist,
Evidence to show that the NAZI fascists were in any was socialist, and that Hitler himself was a socialist, please?
even though all the modern morons (aka leftists)
Evidence to show that all "leftists" are morons, please?
keep trying their damnedest to distance themselves from the atrocities of the ideologies of the left:
  • Hitler, Stalin, Mao Zedong, Pol Pot, ...
Evidence to show that modern liberals try to distance themselves from atrocities, evidence that Hitler, Mao Zedong and Pol Pot shared any ideology aside from authoritarianism, please?
Correction: the morons are the ones who allowed scumbags like Hitler, Stalin,
That would be the voters, in the case of Hitler, and the people had no choice in the case of Stalin. Are you going to claim that Weimar Republic Germany was largely filled with morons?
... to cease power
* seize. the word is "seize". You are welcome.
-- those morons who believed the leftist ideological fairytales aka socialism, et al.
Socialism is a political system, rather than an ideological system. As such it is a concept, not a fairytale. For an example of the concept of socialism in action, look no further than the US Armed Forces; who appear quite happy with their socialised medicine, socialised housing etc ect
Rational people don't buy into fairytales -- fairytales are after all more often than not horror stories
So why do you buy into them? Your world view is a fairytale told to you by right-wing media.
-- leftist fairytales are exactly that -- a recipe for economic ruin, starvation, genocide and slaughter en masse.
And the right-wing "recipes" have proven exceptionally good at avoiding economic ruin, starvation, genocide and slaughter, right? Just ask Argentina circa early 1980s, France 1940-44, Germany 1933-45, etc etc
 

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Elections always have consequences... the morons in California voted for these people, so as Karma demands; they deserve them, and the shit they germinate.

In a rational society the morons would wake up and correct their mistakes... nothing about leftism is rational... hence the rational citizens are packing up and leaving California in their droves, over 5 million have left in recent years, no different to what happens in countries where leftist government dominate.

Funny how, everyone flees from leftist governed areas to classical liberal / conservative territories and never the other way around.
Leftist dominated states like California, Ohio, New Jersey, Illinois... are seeing huge amounts of people leaving, so much so that these leftists states are now losing congressional seats (less people equals less seats), whereas red states are gaining seats.
I understand it is a Friday, but damn, you are way too drunk for half-past-two in the afternoon.
 
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