Dave
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So 12 and 12 Pro shipping 23rd of October, 12 Mini and Pro Max two weeks later.
Isn't there an Apple keynote address tonight?
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No charger.
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Oh ja, forgot they excluding headphones and charger. Actually didn't talk about battery capacities and charging options much? Or did I miss it? Tuned in late. Could be taking a hammering in that department so chose not to focus on it.
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I kind of agree with no charger though, but they should be selling the charger at cost if they can.
Still no USB C, quite disappointing, they'll probably do it with the next iPhone.
(You do have the adapter cable, so guess you'll buy a USB C charger and attach the lighting cable to it)
I wonder if they will skip the 13, they should probably go iPhone 21 to match year name next year, people will then associate their phone to how old it is (either urge to upgrade or happy it lasted 4/5 years).
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Oh, and them comparing it to the Snapdragon (since it's the next best mobile SoC at the moment).
Do remember, Apple is trying to avoid comparing to the A13 as much as they can as:
"Normalising this against the A13 this would mean only an 8.3% performance boost which is actually quite meagre."
SoC's are also generally "good enough" now, so extra features are quite important, e.g. Apple does really well with image processing and still has the leading video recording for mobile. Wish other competitors would catch up or at least Google would try and enter the field, need some competition there since for most media creators it's pretty much iPhone only choice since you need something that's not over the top expensive that you always have with you that can take a video/photo that's generally good.
Qualcomm is rumored to be introducing 100W charging in December though, so that will be interesting to see how it ties with e.g. laptops, since then can use same cable for laptop or phone and just plug between them (well, you can already do that, but means less people will have the wrong cables and there will be more high power ones around the house).
EDIT: And found it.
www.androidauthority.com
The Snapdragon 865 is a real-world 20% boost to performance compared to the 855.
The Snapdragon 855 was about 25% slower than the A13, which means the 865 matched the A13 about. The A14 real-world is 8% faster, so I want to know where Apple got that 50% faster from?
Unless they're trying to say the A14 in iPad form is faster than the Snapdragon 855 which is an old flagship and not the fastest competitor chip?
Going to be interesting as Apple needs to back it up or they can end up losing a class action lawsuit based on it as someone is going to use that against them, and they'd be right to.
Do remember, Apple is trying to avoid comparing to the A13 as much as they can as:
"Normalising this against the A13 this would mean only an 8.3% performance boost which is actually quite meagre."
SoC's are also generally "good enough" now, so extra features are quite important, e.g. Apple does really well with image processing and still has the leading video recording for mobile. Wish other competitors would catch up or at least Google would try and enter the field, need some competition there since for most media creators it's pretty much iPhone only choice since you need something that's not over the top expensive that you always have with you that can take a video/photo that's generally good.
Qualcomm is rumored to be introducing 100W charging in December though, so that will be interesting to see how it ties with e.g. laptops, since then can use same cable for laptop or phone and just plug between them (well, you can already do that, but means less people will have the wrong cables and there will be more high power ones around the house).
EDIT: And found it.
Qualcomm Snapdragon 865: Everything you need to know
Qualcomm has lifted the lid on the technical details of the Qualcomm Snapdragon 865 flagship mobile application processor.
www.androidauthority.com
The Snapdragon 855 was about 25% slower than the A13, which means the 865 matched the A13 about. The A14 real-world is 8% faster, so I want to know where Apple got that 50% faster from?
Unless they're trying to say the A14 in iPad form is faster than the Snapdragon 855 which is an old flagship and not the fastest competitor chip?
Going to be interesting as Apple needs to back it up or they can end up losing a class action lawsuit based on it as someone is going to use that against them, and they'd be right to.
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Dave
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What legal basis?
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False marketing, people can argue it based on that claim made by Apple, and it's definitely a misleading number as there's no way they're 50% faster in normal use cases.
Note again: I am not saying they're not faster, just the % is definitely misleading/wrong. Apple does well in the SoC business, from having a lead due to being able to afford way bigger SoC's to now having quite a nice design lead, it was very good of them to buy PA Semi, and I wonder how much of their A14 GPU lead again is them making nice with Imagination (the A14's biggest jump is GPU tasks, definitely a 50% increase compared to their A13, and a lot of that has to do with the process node shrink which allows way more transistors).
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Should have been on every slide.
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Turns out that is if you take it on contract in the US. Fake pricing.
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Apple Fibs About iPhone 12 Pricing To Promote Wireless Carriers - Slashdot
Jason Snell, writing at Six Colors: Here's one of the weirdest aspects of Tuesday's iPhone launch event: Apple has been less than forthright about the real prices of the iPhone 12 and iPhone 12 mini. At the event, Apple referred to these products as starting at $699 (iPhone 12 mini) and $799...
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Apple Fibs About iPhone 12 Pricing To Promote Wireless Carriers - Slashdot
Jason Snell, writing at Six Colors: Here's one of the weirdest aspects of Tuesday's iPhone launch event: Apple has been less than forthright about the real prices of the iPhone 12 and iPhone 12 mini. At the event, Apple referred to these products as starting at $699 (iPhone 12 mini) and $799...apple.slashdot.org
699 vs 729 isn't a huge difference.
Dave
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So, $699 if you're a Verizon or AT&T customer. $729 for everyone else.
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Shit like this for example!!
Android backups to Google Drive have been disabled on many phones for months — no proper fix in sight
For over nine months now, Android users have been complaining about an issue with backups to Google Drive. The phone simply stops backing up data without
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sand_man
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It's the first time, that I can recall, where they've advertised the network selling price as the actual selling price. Anyway, $730 odd, is still a decent selling price.
I love my Android powered Oneplus but the main driver was always cost, not Android per se (well, maybe 50/50). The desire to customize and tinker coupled with the lack of a stable on consistent jailbreak is what led me away from iOS and back to Android, plus the silky smooth performance and flag ship specs of the OP3T. It's the closest to an iPhone experience I could replicate on an Android device and I been hooked since.
But that price difference is no more. OP and iPhone are similarly priced. That presents a dilemma
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Apple Sued For Not Including Chargers In IPhone 12 Boxes - Stuff South Africa
Global watchdogs should follow the example set by São Paulo, Brazil-based consumer protection agency Procon-SP and take on Apple for its lack of chargers in
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Apple Sued For Not Including Chargers In IPhone 12 Boxes - Stuff South Africa
Global watchdogs should follow the example set by São Paulo, Brazil-based consumer protection agency Procon-SP and take on Apple for its lack of chargers in
Its actually pretty stupid, it’s not just Apple as Samsung and Xiaomi also do it now and it’s likely more makers will follow suit this year.
Greta will be getting very angry at any thoughts of wasteful electrical items being processed and all that extra air travel needed to ship them around the world.
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