Irony: Free Speech (Sort Of) Up And Running Thanks To Russia

[SoldierMan]

Who knew the day would come when it would take a Russian company for conservative sites and viewpoints to be heard.

Parler partially reappears with support from Russian technology firm​

 

[Paul Hjul]

If you think Parler is supportive of free speech then you need to re-examine the quality of your education

 

[SoldierMan]

If you think Parler is supportive of free speech then you need to re-examine the quality of your education

I'm talking about the free speech of ALL people, whether on the left or the right, whether a left platform or a right platform. But it is the right that are being censored all over the place in the USA right now en mass, Facebook, Twitter, Parler being pulled down, you name it, the right is being silenced, if you can't see that then you are wilfully blind.

 

[Paul Hjul]

"the right" love to cry censorship when they are told they are stupid and love to censor when they have the power to do so.

 

[SoldierMan]

"the right" love to cry censorship when they are told they are stupid and love to censor when they have the power to do so.

Says the left censoring the crap out of the right
When and what have the right censored?

 

[Paul Hjul]

you accept Falwell as a "right"?

otherwise give me a name of a "right voice" it will make it easy to point out what a moron you are.

 

[SoldierMan]

you accept Falwell as a "right"?

otherwise give me a name of a "right voice" it will make it easy to point out what a moron you are.

So I'm a moron for wanting free speech for everyone??? I think you need to look in the mirror chum.

So basically what you are saying is if it's your group that gets into power then they should have the right to silence their opposition like we are seeing to day? Or what are you saying? Or if you have been wronged in the past then you get to deal out retribution to an entire group of people, or what are you saying?

Otherwise what is wrong with the libertarian view, which is what I hold to politically. Of course first and foremost I am a Christian and so believe all men no matter creed or colour are created equal and deserve liberty and freedom of speech.

You disagree?

 

[Paul Hjul]

There is nothing wrong with the libertarian view - especially on the matter of free speech. Where on earth did I suggest that if a group is in power they should have the right to silence anybody? What I said is that people on the right whine about free speech when they don't have the means to suppress speech they don't like and use power to suppress speech when they had it.

You asked for an example, the problem is that you can play no true Scotsman. So to combat that I've asked

Lets make it easier do you include the following in your manage of "the right" (give the exclusions):
Donald Trump, John McCain, Jerry Falwell (the one I've already asked about), Steve Bannon, Mike Huckabee, Rush Limbaugh, Sean Hannity.


I'll leave it to others to point out why your comment on libertarian view is hilarious. Suffice it to say you aren't advocating the libertarian view, nor does Parler and that is kind of the point.

 

[SoldierMan]

There is nothing wrong with the libertarian view - especially on the matter of free speech. Where on earth did I suggest that if a group is in power they should have the right to silence anybody? What I said is that people on the right whine about free speech when they don't have the means to suppress speech they don't like and use power to suppress speech when they had it.

You asked for an example, the problem is that you can play no true Scotsman. So to combat that I've asked

Lets make it easier do you include the following in your manage of "the right" (give the exclusions):
Donald Trump, John McCain, Jerry Falwell (the one I've already asked about), Steve Bannon, Mike Huckabee, Rush Limbaugh, Sean Hannity.


I'll leave it to others to point out why your comment on libertarian view is hilarious. Suffice it to say you aren't advocating the libertarian view, nor does Parler and that is kind of the point.

This is a pointless debate because I can point out how many on the left in the past have suppressed and you can point out those on the right in the past that have done the same, it's an endless game of back and forth. Human beings are flawed so there is no perfect example on either side.

The bottom line is that what is happening in the US right now is wrong no matter what has happened in the past.

Oh do point out why my libertarian comment is hilarious I can't wait.

 

[Dave]

I'll leave it to others to point out why your comment on libertarian view is hilarious.

Paul, you’re arguing with a pigeon (and you know what eventually happens when you do that), he is hilarious in almost every aspect.

 

[Paul Hjul]

Paul, you’re arguing with a pigeon (and you know what eventually happens when you do that), he is hilarious in almost every aspect.

I know which is why I am not going full hog on this. If it wasn't so funny it would be infuriating. I suspect he genuinely doesn't understand why resorting to pretending to espouse a libertarian view is so damn funny. I mean its not as if I am posting in this group under a pseudonym

The dude is a moron Trumpette who'd probably go totally psycho and threaten violence against anybody in Nevada supporting voting for Jo. After finishing threatening violence he'd probably get into the exercise of denouncing her as a socialist because she has a nordic surname and then getting into a ramble about how America wants more people from Norway and less from Haiti or whatever as long as the fine people aren't socialists or something.

 

[Dave]

The dude is a moron Trumpette

He’s already claimed that Biden is one of the biggest dangers to western civilisation because he’s going to repeal the 2nd Amendment, you must have missed it when he was so happy to hear about alleged “Second Amendment Sanctuary States, that is HUGE news man, HUGE”.

 

[Paul Hjul]

I saw something, scratched my head and was thinking "what the fuck is a second amendment sanctuary state? a state where you can find sanctuary from the second amendment? a state where if you are white you find sanctuary in the second amendment but if you are black you get nailed for possession of a firearm and have your voting rights revoked such as to give sanctuary to white supremacists (Florida)?"

If I feel up to it I'll ask some colleagues on Facebook (a strange thing has happened my LinkedIn contact pool is predominantly in telecoms my Facebook contact pool has all of the politics)

 

[Dave]

I saw something, scratched my head and was thinking "what the fuck is a second amendment sanctuary state?

Some of the right wing morons saw the concept of “Sanctuary cities” for immigration amd thought they could apply the same idea to “second amendment sanctuary” cities/states.

With them being morons they didn’t realise that immigration sanctuary cities are just places where local government don’t enforce immigration law but the federal authorities still do.

Even if RedNeck City or Dumbracistville decided to proclaim “second amendment sanctuary” status it means fuck-all to the FBI or ATF when they decide to enforce whatever firearms law exists against Cletus or Eugene with his fully auto AK47, just like when ICE drops in to an immigration sanctuary city and rounds up illegal immigrants.

 

[Paul Hjul]

Ja the real problem with many of the "second amendment" types is that they are all for meh guns until you start advocating that people should be allowed to have nuclear weapons then they try to twist and turn a new standard.

There is a perfectly rational liberty centric position to hold that prevents people from causing nuclear mayhem and allows the ownership of whatever weapons a person wants - public liability
The problem is the meh guns moron brigade who want AR-15s for no reason other than to be cunts wont be able to afford insurance premiums and so will whine about

In exactly the same way as these morons want to make money off saying dumb shit and get all whiney when advertisers cancel on them for saying dumb shit. Its kind of rich to whine about not being able to exercise free speech because the only way to say what you claim to want to say is to do so without getting money out of it. Parler is built on exploiting this lunacy. Ramp up a space that represents an echo chamber play the victim and milk the users.

 

[Dave]

Parler is built on exploiting this lunacy. Ramp up a space that represents an echo chamber play the victim and milk the users.

The new breed of Trumpanzee right wingers really do love echo chambers, especially ones that their great orange god endorses.

 

[scudsucker]

The new breed of Trumpanzee right wingers really do love echo chambers, especially ones that their great orange god endorses.

To be fair to SoldierBoy, he is venturing out of his echo chamber to voice the dumb opinions he learns inside it.

 

[Paul Hjul]

Except that he is on a whine mission rather than actually engaging and he has no regard for good faith grounded in reality discussion. This thread for example. He posts an article concerning Parler. When pushback as to the claim of Parler as being supportive of free speech (as opposed to a peddler of right wing propaganda built on a commercial model of creating an echo chamber) appears he resorts to ignoring the argument invoking whataboutisms and so on. While my political views are certainly not on the right (nor do I think Dave's are) nothing in this thread gives a basis for him to say "Says the left censoring the crap out of the right " other than an intent to engage in bad faith whataboutism.

I suspect that he genuinely doesn't understand the issue, that he genuinely has no idea what censorship is or what the history of censorship has been. However being too fucking stupid to own a computer isn't an excuse for lacking good faith.

 

[Rudolph Hart]

I keep reading the title of the thread as “Irony Free”, but it’s actually pretty full of it.

 

[biometrics]

Doesn't this thread belong in the philosophy forum?