Did you vote?

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I'm registered far from where I live now, so did not. It's a DA stronghold here anyway so would make no difference if I voted here or not.

Won't miss provincial/national though.
 

Paul Hjul

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Yes and for three different parties. Had the obnoxious nag call from the DA in the afternoon. Fortunately at the time I was not aware of Zille's antics because as it was "no I did not vote for the fucking DA, I voted against the DA. I voted against the DA and will continue to do so so long as you embrace the bullshit of that cunt Steenhuisen and act like clowns"
Whether I technically voted against the DA is complicated, voted for the candidate on the DA ticket for my ward largely because he is a decent guy who cares about the community and with him getting the ward seat the proportional list munchkins where the real rot is will be fewer.
 

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Yes, but I very nearly didn't. It came down to what ward councillors were involved in. I had to resort to a source other than my municipality's website to find out who my councillor is, as the municipal website was still showing the former councillor. I got an idea of how badly East London and surrounding areas has been mismanaged via a four part Spotlight On.... series on Youtube. Our mayor confessed to not knowing what Zero Day means in terms of the water shortage in our province.

My smartphone came with pre-installed software that labels unsolicited calls. I also tend to ignore calls from numbers I don't recognise, so I was spared the annoyance of having someone think that a short telephone call would make up my mind for me.

I don't have any time for Zille, and would rather have seen her leave the party than Lindiwe Mazibuko. Steenhuisen makes my stomach turn.

The SMS I got from the DA felt insulting. How could they know how many votes were being cast for them and the ANC unless they were doing something unscrupulous.

I tend to have doubts over whether I should vote at all, given that know next to nothing about politics and what my options are other than the EFF, DA, and ANC. I'm not sure I care any more.
 

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Yes and for three different parties. Had the obnoxious nag call from the DA in the afternoon. Fortunately at the time I was not aware of Zille's antics because as it was "no I did not vote for the fucking DA, I voted against the DA. I voted against the DA and will continue to do so so long as you embrace the bullshit of that cunt Steenhuisen and act like clowns"
Whether I technically voted against the DA is complicated, voted for the candidate on the DA ticket for my ward largely because he is a decent guy who cares about the community and with him getting the ward seat the proportional list munchkins where the real rot is will be fewer.
It sounds as though you were given three forms.
 

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My ignorance and naivety has me not feeling comfortable with the preponderance of older, pale-skinned people in the upper echelons of the DA.
 

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/wonders how should vote when 12000km away from voting booth
I don't have any time for Zille, and would rather have seen her leave the party than Lindiwe Mazibuko. Steenhuisen makes my stomach turn.
Based on what she said about being thrown out, if it's true, then there needs to be action taken (voting station in Eastern Cape). Was a case of IEC being so utterly incompetent, with the manager there actively interfering with people's rights to vote imho, plus complete overreaction by police.
 

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/wonders how should vote when 12000km away from voting booth

Based on what she said about being thrown out, if it's true, then there needs to be action taken (voting station in Eastern Cape). Was a case of IEC being so utterly incompetent, with the manager there actively interfering with people's rights to vote imho, plus complete overreaction by police.
She is well known for her overreactions.
 

Paul Hjul

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/wonders how should vote when 12000km away from voting booth

Based on what she said about being thrown out, if it's true, then there needs to be action taken (voting station in Eastern Cape). Was a case of IEC being so utterly incompetent, with the manager there actively interfering with people's rights to vote imho, plus complete overreaction by police.
I fear she is demonstrably lying

here are uncontested facts: Zille voted at a different polling station at some point
Zille relied on an authorization from the IEC to be at the polling station, such authorization is given to party agents of various shapes and forms. She was in party regalia - which party agents should NOT be in while at polling stations. The IEC might have relaxed a little especially because its difficult to properly enforce and draw lines about, however it remains a taboo.
She was speaking to voters while in party regalia, as a party agent and as a person clearly identified with a particular political party... Nothing in what she said could remotely be viewed as encouraging general voting according to the voters preference as decided by the voter. She was clearly trying to influence voters and potential voters into believing that they must vote for the DA because the ANC and IEC are collaborating.
She was told to stop conduct that could be construed as canvassing. She refused she was then ejected from the polling station by the presiding officer - if she wasn't happy she could take the decision to eject on review.

- consider if Julius Malema at a polling station wearing his red beret took selfies with people in ANC kit in the queue, this would be interpreted by a reasonable person as reinforcing the freedom of our elections. If he made comments about the DA or whites in the queue it would be different and fall into canvassing.

There is no way that what Zille on her own version was doing is not within the prohibition of canvassing or could reasonably be feared by the presiding officer as canvassing. The ANC party agents may have been stirring shit complaining and the presiding officer may have been offbeat but the minute Zille was told to stop canvassing and she persisted she knowingly violated her reason for being authorized to be at the venue. She knowingly and intentionally broke the Electoral Code which as a party officer she has agreed to. Her ejectment from the premises was therefore legitimate. She at that point could have left the premises, called a press conference and all other manner of lobbying complaints. However having been ejected from the premises in refusing to vacate and in persisting in canvassing she conducted herself criminally.

Amusingly one of the ward candidates wife was standing in front of us in the queue, she was wearing a party t-shirt but quite inconspicuously. She and my mother were talking about everything except the election, when one of the party people came to ask her something she was very clear not to speak in a way that could remotely be thought of as canvassing.


The mistake the police officer made was in not calling for additional law enforcement and arresting her. SAPS unfortunately have been trained to deploy "presence force" to "assert policing control" and "de-escalate an incident in which a prosecution will not follow" - ie cops will cause people to be kept apart even if it means manhandling them rather than let them have an affray and then arrest and send to chookie. The problem is in incidents like this it means that the cops act more like bouncers than law enforcement. Its a good approach in dealing with a lot of things but it can become a problem -> if somebody is trespassing should you really go through an arrest, detention determination of bail, assignment to a prosecutor etc ... when the cops can remove them from the property. In this case though she knew she was breaking the law, she was picking a fight with the presiding officer had been advised to vacate the voting station - her permission to be present had been revoked - and she was therefore unlawfully interfering in the election. It is well justified to deploy 5 police officers and to bring on board the DDPP in Port Elizabeth to make a determination as to whether to prosecute - if I was the DDPP and ANY politician did what she was doing I would prosecute and withdraw the prosecution only after a public apology.
 

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I voted. DA, even though I dislike pretty much about them, their platform, and their fucking spam.

They are the second strongest party, and the only viable challengers to keep the ANC on it's toes. So I want a strong opposition, even if it is not the opposition I want.

It's a kak choice but I don't see any better choice.
 

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I voted. DA, even though I dislike pretty much about them, their platform, and their fucking spam.

They are the second strongest party, and the only viable challengers to keep the ANC on it's toes. So I want a strong opposition, even if it is not the opposition I want.

It's a kak choice but I don't see any better choice.
Pretty much the same sentiments. I did consider Mashaba's lot for a fleeting moment.

For a change voting was fast and well organised at our station, no long queues and when I went in the afternoon it was a in and out.
 

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Looks like my neck of the woods in Joburg suburbia went for the best of the rest too... and it worked.

Well, in the ward at least.


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Wow strong showing from ActionSA.
I think they did pretty well, in parts Joburg at least... New party, problems on the printed ballot and such, but, If you look at the national numbers, they're at 1,74% off the vote... and... the VF+ are only at 2,6%.
 

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I think they did pretty well, in parts Joburg at least... New party, problems on the printed ballot and such, but, If you look at the national numbers, they're at 1,74% off the vote... and... the VF+ are only at 2,6%.
Mashaba has a Joburg following, not really known in the rest of SA.
 
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