Battlefield 2042

[satanboy]

 

[Nicholas]

Battlefield 2042 is free to play on Steam this weekend.

 

[biometrics]

Meh, CPU bound. Getting 30 fps at medium. My GPU is at like 30%. This hardware was fast for BF5 with over 100 fps. Tempted to upgrade but will rather wait for a performance update next year. Dice knows about this issue. Even people with much better hardware than me can't even get 60 fps.

 

[Johnatan56]

Meh, CPU bound. Getting 30 fps at medium. My GPU is at like 30%. This hardware was fast for BF5 with over 100 fps. Tempted to upgrade but will rather wait for a performance update next year. Dice knows about this issue. Even people with much better hardware than me can't even get 60 fps.

It does look like next year's release of CPU's will be great, AMD's stacked cache is coming into play, new Intel GPU as well (and technically Intel Raptor Lake (13th gen) releases, but not expecting anything amazing there besides a little bit better 12th gen, since their next node shrink is only expected 2023 earliest).


BF2042 is badly timed in regards to hardware launch, not worth upgrading right now.

 

[biometrics]

It does look like next year's release of CPU's will be great, AMD's stacked cache is coming into play, new Intel GPU as well (and technically Intel Raptor Lake (13th gen) releases, but not expecting anything amazing there besides a little bit better 12th gen, since their next node shrink is only expected 2023 earliest).


BF2042 is badly timed in regards to hardware launch, not worth upgrading right now.

Don't want to spend top dollar on the latest. I've got a 2012 3rd gen i7 so it's pretty old. If on a budget of say R10k and having to replace the mobo, cpu, cooler and RAM what is the sweet spot, 9th gen? I'd prefer to stick to Intel.

My Nvidia 2080 is 2-3 years old now so that should be a good match?

 

[Johnatan56]

Don't want to spend top dollar on the latest. I've got a 2012 3rd gen i7 so it's pretty old. If on a budget of say R10k and having to replace the mobo, cpu, cooler and RAM what is the sweet spot, 9th gen? I'd prefer to stick to Intel.

My Nvidia 2080 is 2-3 years old now so that should be a good match?

The GPU is fine, doesn't really make sense to want Intel except wanting thunderbolt as Intel you'll spend more on motherboard.

If doing so, parts would be:
CPU 12600K for R6200: https://www.wootware.co.za/intel-bx...-lga1700-desktop-cpu-cooler-not-included.html (you could save a R500 and go KF, but probably better to have the integrated GPU for after retire system or resale or if GPU issue at one point)

Then question is if want to pay DDR5 early adopters tax (not worth it currently):
If no:
R4300: Rhttps://www.wootware.co.za/gigabyte-ga-z690m-aorus-elite-ddr4-z690m-aorus-elite-ddr4-intel-z690-alder-lake-lga1700-micro-atx-ddr4-desktop-motherboard.html
And RAM:
R2550: https://www.wootware.co.za/g-skill-...-3600mhz-cl18-1-35v-black-desktop-memory.html since CL16 isn't worth the R1k, just go CL18.

Which brings it to around R13k, R3k over budget. Going 5600X and a R2k cheaper mobo will bring you to R11k for within 5% performance (win some, lose some). At 65W either one doesn't need anything past stock cooler.

And if dumb enough to say yes:

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You're paying R7.2k for RAM alone, board is similar price, so no.

 

[biometrics]

The GPU is fine, doesn't really make sense to want Intel except wanting thunderbolt as Intel you'll spend more on motherboard.

If doing so, parts would be:
CPU 12600K for R6200: https://www.wootware.co.za/intel-bx...-lga1700-desktop-cpu-cooler-not-included.html (you could save a R500 and go KF, but probably better to have the integrated GPU for after retire system or resale or if GPU issue at one point)

Then question is if want to pay DDR5 early adopters tax (not worth it currently):
If no:
R4300: Rhttps://www.wootware.co.za/gigabyte-ga-z690m-aorus-elite-ddr4-z690m-aorus-elite-ddr4-intel-z690-alder-lake-lga1700-micro-atx-ddr4-desktop-motherboard.html
And RAM:
R2550: https://www.wootware.co.za/g-skill-...-3600mhz-cl18-1-35v-black-desktop-memory.html since CL16 isn't worth the R1k, just go CL18.

Which brings it to around R13k, R3k over budget. Going 5600X and a R2k cheaper mobo will bring you to R11k for within 5% performance (win some, lose some). At 65W either one doesn't need anything past stock cooler.

And if dumb enough to say yes:

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You're paying R7.2k for RAM alone, board is similar price, so no.

Just used to Intel I suppose. So what's the cheapest you can come up with if any brand? It doesn't have to be the latest gen.

 

[Johnatan56]

Just used to Intel I suppose. So what's the cheapest you can come up with if any brand? It doesn't have to be the latest gen.

Depends on budget, right now I think the 5600X is pretty sweet spot since 3600 had so many sales and it's a bit better than that, so will have at least 3/4 years of being upper end unless something very special happens, and will probably be fine for recommended for ~5 years.

The 12600K is also good, the issue there is basically you're paying a premium for the board since PCIe 5 lanes, and don't think that matters since not had PCIe 4 maxed out by storage yet.

Would get a 5600X with e.g. https://www.wootware.co.za/gigabyte...socket-am4-micro-atx-desktop-motherboard.html at R2400. RAM you can then go 3200MHz CL16, due to how infinity fabric clocks. That's the R2k difference.

But, I am influenced by my workload there, the larger L3 cache is a big deal for the C# and SQL code I work with, if not, you can take the R1400 reduction: https://www.wootware.co.za/amd-100-...9ghz-4-4ghz-boost-socket-am4-desktop-apu.html and that will end up being a ~5% performance difference usually in games, you can see what your binning is like and just undervolt a little and get same performance. Again, the AMD 3600 will be the new 2600K in terms of benchmark for games, 5600G will have no issue for a long while.

So for you I'd go:
CPU 5600G @ 4850 https://www.wootware.co.za/amd-100-...9ghz-4-4ghz-boost-socket-am4-desktop-apu.html
Mobo GB B550 AORUS @ R2400 https://www.wootware.co.za/gigabyte...socket-am4-micro-atx-desktop-motherboard.html
RAM you can go 3600 CL16 https://www.wootware.co.za/g-skill-...-3600mhz-cl18-1-35v-black-desktop-memory.html it's sad memory kits in South Africa (even checking out Takealot and stuff) selection isn't great, should be able to get a CL12 3200MHz but just can't find anything, the tighter timing would be better than the added frequency for gaming, probably because most don't understand how it works and see bigger MHz and go must be better.

And that puts you at ~R10k.

 

[biometrics]

Depends on budget, right now I think the 5600X is pretty sweet spot since 3600 had so many sales and it's a bit better than that, so will have at least 3/4 years of being upper end unless something very special happens, and will probably be fine for recommended for ~5 years.

The 12600K is also good, the issue there is basically you're paying a premium for the board since PCIe 5 lanes, and don't think that matters since not had PCIe 4 maxed out by storage yet.

Would get a 5600X with e.g. https://www.wootware.co.za/gigabyte...socket-am4-micro-atx-desktop-motherboard.html at R2400. RAM you can then go 3200MHz CL16, due to how infinity fabric clocks. That's the R2k difference.

But, I am influenced by my workload there, the larger L3 cache is a big deal for the C# and SQL code I work with, if not, you can take the R1400 reduction: https://www.wootware.co.za/amd-100-...9ghz-4-4ghz-boost-socket-am4-desktop-apu.html and that will end up being a ~5% performance difference usually in games, you can see what your binning is like and just undervolt a little and get same performance. Again, the AMD 3600 will be the new 2600K in terms of benchmark for games, 5600G will have no issue for a long while.

So for you I'd go:
CPU 5600G @ 4850 https://www.wootware.co.za/amd-100-...9ghz-4-4ghz-boost-socket-am4-desktop-apu.html
Mobo GB B550 AORUS @ R2400 https://www.wootware.co.za/gigabyte...socket-am4-micro-atx-desktop-motherboard.html
RAM you can go 3600 CL16 https://www.wootware.co.za/g-skill-...-3600mhz-cl18-1-35v-black-desktop-memory.html it's sad memory kits in South Africa (even checking out Takealot and stuff) selection isn't great, should be able to get a CL12 3200MHz but just can't find anything, the tighter timing would be better than the added frequency for gaming, probably because most don't understand how it works and see bigger MHz and go must be better.

And that puts you at ~R10k.

That's great, thanks. Now if you scaled it back one or two gens where the performance would be similar, then what? Can I get away with say half the price for 90% of the performance? BF specifically. Yes 2042 is currently a shit show. I have hope.

 

[Johnatan56]

That's great, thanks. Now if you scaled it back one or two gens where the performance would be similar, then what? Can I get away with say half the price for 90% of the performance? BF specifically. Yes 2042 is currently a shit show. I have hope.

There is about a 10-20% or so performance difference between the 3600 and the 5600G, I would consider anything worse than the 3600 a no-go as that's the new benchmark (or will be going forward depending on when game released) for modern steam games due to Xbox hardware.

You can find some Intel last gen stuff, but then you're going second hand market and need to check carbonite, the equivalent is about a 10600K I think, so you're not really going to save much.

But I would not do that as I'd definitely want PCIe 4 support for graphics card and storage due to Direct Storage on Windows, you will see in the next 2/3 years games requiring it.

 

[biometrics]

So for you I'd go:
CPU 5600G @ 4850 https://www.wootware.co.za/amd-100-...9ghz-4-4ghz-boost-socket-am4-desktop-apu.html
Mobo GB B550 AORUS @ R2400 https://www.wootware.co.za/gigabyte...socket-am4-micro-atx-desktop-motherboard.html
RAM you can go 3600 CL16 https://www.wootware.co.za/g-skill-...-3600mhz-cl18-1-35v-black-desktop-memory.html it's sad memory kits in South Africa (even checking out Takealot and stuff) selection isn't great, should be able to get a CL12 3200MHz but just can't find anything, the tighter timing would be better than the added frequency for gaming, probably because most don't understand how it works and see bigger MHz and go must be better.

And that puts you at ~R10k.

Maybe maybe! My case, PSU, SSD, HD etc should still be fine.

But then again if Dice sorted out their shit then I don't have too. Urgh!

 

[Johnatan56]

Maybe maybe! My case, PSU, SSD, HD etc should still be fine.

But then again if Dice sorted out their shit then I don't have too. Urgh!

No, think 2600K about two years ago reached end of life for modern AAA, basically with move to new console hardware.

Not saying DICE's sucked at optimizing it, just that kind of normal for 2600K to no longer perform well enough as hardware cycle moved on.

 

[biometrics]

@Johnatan56, why not get the cheapest (1 x 16GB is fine for now):

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R7,287

 

[biometrics]

@Johnatan56, or even cheaper:

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R6,312

 

[Johnatan56]

@Johnatan56, why not get the cheapest (1 x 16GB is fine for now):

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R7,287

Never get a single stick of RAM, always two as a set. The difference is about a 15-20% performance hit for not doing so, and buying later means RAM sticks are not guaranteed to work correctly together, it's not uncommon for them to not sync well with timings with each other and cause bit flips that crash the system (not happen today, might not happen tomorrow, might be in 2/3 years, you'll never know).

You're giving up on PCIe 4 like I mentioned, I highly recommend you do not do that if you plan to use the system for longer than probably end of next year, latest 2023, we should start seeing titles that require direct storage access, you need PCIe 4 as a min for storage and asset streaming to the graphics card.

 

[biometrics]

Never get a single stick of RAM, always two as a set. The difference is about a 15-20% performance hit for not doing so, and buying later means RAM sticks are not guaranteed to work correctly together, it's not uncommon for them to not sync well with timings with each other and cause bit flips that crash the system (not happen today, might not happen tomorrow, might be in 2/3 years, you'll never know).

You're giving up on PCIe 4 like I mentioned, I highly recommend you do not do that if you plan to use the system for longer than probably end of next year, latest 2023, we should start seeing titles that require direct storage access, you need PCIe 4 as a min for storage and asset streaming to the graphics card.

The 5600G is PCIe 3 according to the Wootware specs.

 

[Johnatan56]

The 5600G is PCIe 3 according to the Wootware specs.

Interesting, seems they cut it for die space, then I'd probably look at going 5600X instead, up to you.

 

[biometrics]

Interesting, seems they cut it for die space, then I'd probably look at going 5600X instead, up to you.

Did some googling and the 2080 won’t benefit from PCIe 4.

 

[Johnatan56]

Did some googling and the 2080 won’t benefit from PCIe 4.

Yes/no, it will be your next upgrade:

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Which is part of/plugs into direct storage.

So anything GTX 3000 and up, and you want to keep the CPU+mobo for a while.

 

[biometrics]

Never get a single stick of RAM, always two as a set. The difference is about a 15-20% performance hit for not doing so, and buying later means RAM sticks are not guaranteed to work correctly together, it's not uncommon for them to not sync well with timings with each other and cause bit flips that crash the system (not happen today, might not happen tomorrow, might be in 2/3 years, you'll never know).

I know this was the way in the past, but thought I'd google a bit (again), it seems there is no difference anymore and in some cases it's actually slower in dual channel.

Single Channel vs. Dual Channel vs. Quad Channel Memory

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