2021 was a weird election

Blantyre

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Steep declines as expected for the ANC and DA while EFF marginally increased (using 2016-2021 data).

Action SA gained but also made history by becoming the first party to win formerly DA and ANC strongholds in one cycle.

Where to from here?
 

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The fact that the ANC, after the complete and utter cockup of the last decade or two, still gets so many votes, and voter turnout is so abysmal, I suspect from here the trajectory isn't changing much.
 

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The general feel I got asking from asking some of the guys I interact with is that people were sitting at home all cross with their current lot but couldn't be bothered to vote for whatever reason. So I'm not sure how accurate the results are and if it's really the start of a trend.

We need Compulsory voting.
This would certainly make things interesting but I'm not sure what the "carrot" might be, just trying to force everybody would backfire.
 

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The fact that the ANC, after the complete and utter cockup of the last decade or two, still gets so many votes, and voter turnout is so abysmal, I suspect from here the trajectory isn't changing much.

Many say that they failed for 30 years but the Mandela and Mbeki years were not that bad. Sure they had flaws but the rand was performing well under Mbeki.

The massive mess ups started under Zuma. If only we had CR instead of Zuma, the country could have been completely different.
 

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it's all shit.
I'd prefer living in a Socialist environment. At least I'd survive
 

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The general feel I got asking from asking some of the guys I interact with is that people were sitting at home all cross with their current lot but couldn't be bothered to vote for whatever reason.

They've lost faith in the electoral system and don't seem to see the alternatives as any better. Voter apathy seems to be trending worldwide as is identity politics, hence increased support for parties like the Freedom Front and IFP.
 

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Like Sweden?
Like Austria, a little better weather most of the year. :p

Interesting election, NMB/PE is an interesting one to me, guess most don't understand that the blame for the entire water crisis that can be pretty much be blamed on bad infrastructure maintenance and planning by the ANC. Also that stupid name change not getting people to go Wtf are you doing makes me wonder.
 

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Like Austria, a little better weather most of the year. :p

Interesting election, NMB/PE is an interesting one to me, guess most don't understand that the blame for the entire water crisis that can be pretty much be blamed on bad infrastructure maintenance and planning by the ANC. Also that stupid name change not getting people to go Wtf are you doing makes me wonder.
But Cape Town had a huge water crisis and has mostly been run by the DA

don't you think climate change is a large factor?
 

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But Cape Town had a huge water crisis and has mostly been run by the DA

don't you think climate change is a large factor?
Cape Town is a little different, CT had the infrastructure correct in regards to water loss and stuff. Their issue is now new dams from regional, meanwhile population is multitudes of what it was two decades ago.

The infrastructure in PE should have been able to handle the population without issue, it's the loss in the system and infrastructure that is braking down that that is the issue.
 

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Cape Town is a little different, CT had the infrastructure correct in regards to water loss and stuff. Their issue is now new dams from regional, meanwhile population is multitudes of what it was two decades ago.

The infrastructure in PE should have been able to handle the population without issue, it's the loss in the system and infrastructure that is braking down that that is the issue.

The DA run government in PE put a hold on many infrastructure projects in the water sector.
 

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The DA run government in PE put a hold on many infrastructure projects in the water sector.

DA also messed up horribly in Pretoria, hence they never really spoke about that during their campaigning. It was so bad some residents said the ANC were better.
 

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The DA run government in PE put a hold on many infrastructure projects in the water sector.
Was curious since newjourno quoted you, more nonsense from you again.
PORT ELIZABETH - Phase three of the Nooitgedagt Water Treatment works situated outside Port Elizabeth in the Eastern Cape - dubbed as the city&39;s &39;saving grace&39; in the face of an ongoing drought in the province - has come to a standstill after the Department of Water and Sanitation cut R34-million of an initial R92-million budget for the financial year, the Democratic Alliance (DA) said on Monday.

At a site visit on Monday, DA member of Parliament (MP) Leon Basson said that the cut would amount to a R23-million shortfall as contractors still needed to be paid for work done.

Basson said the halt of phase three resulted in penalties of R75,000 per day.

Believe it or not, water and sanitation is managed by government, all dams are government, and all funding for those projects comes from government.
DA also messed up horribly in Pretoria, hence they never really spoke about that during their campaigning. It was so bad some residents said the ANC were better.
They "messed up" by having an extreme debt in Pretoria, finally managing to get a surplus, then ANC took over again and directly messed it up again, and then they ended up with a R4bn deficit again that they tried to rectify, congratulations in thinking that there would be consequences to services (not to mention that infrastructure has a limited lifespan, lack of maintenance kicks in after time, just look at Eskom for an example, and if you're dumb enough to blame De Ruyter, there is no point in this conversation)
The metropolitan municipality has since been trying to “rectify” the R4 billion deficit which it inherited from the city’s administrators in November last year, which has now been reduced by approximately 85%.


“It is commonly known that when this administration assumed office in November 2020, we inherited a deficit on the operating account from the provincial administrators for the 2019-2020 financial year that had exceeded R4 billion.
 

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Was curious since newjourno quoted you, more nonsense from you again.

Believe it or not, water and sanitation is managed by government, all dams are government, and all funding for those projects comes from government.

They "messed up" by having an extreme debt in Pretoria, finally managing to get a surplus, then ANC took over again and directly messed it up again, and then they ended up with a R4bn deficit again that they tried to rectify, congratulations in thinking that there would be consequences to services (not to mention that infrastructure has a limited lifespan, lack of maintenance kicks in after time, just look at Eskom for an example, and if you're dumb enough to blame De Ruyter, there is no point in this conversation)

More nonsense from me again? Not sure what that is referring to, but believe what you want I know enough people in the water industry in SA and especially in PE.
 

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Are you not surving?
Of course I am. Think what I was trying to say is that your survival would be guaranteed in a socialist state. If things go REALLY south here you might end up with a cardboard sign around your neck standing at some random traffic light.
 
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